Update on PAII Conversations with TripAdvisor
Written by Jay Karen on May 18, 2009 – 10:03 pm
Sorry for the long post, but it’s been a while since I updated the innkeeping community on my discussions with TripAdvisor. For those of you unaware of what PAII has been doing, I have been representing on behalf of innkeepers some requests for change on the TripAdvisor site. The issues below represent a selection of matters I have been spotlighting for TripAdvisor staff during quarterly meetings at their headquarters outside Boston.
Change and progress are taking time, but I’m glad to report that some thing are changing and will continue to change. The TripAdvisor staff have been willing to listen and engage in meaningful conversation every step of the way since I became involved.
The work we are doing keeps the B&B industry visible in their eyes.
Site Features and Property Pages
1. ”Map this Hotel” link.
This link on most B&B pages leads to an Expedia map that doesn’t show the property’s location. The property only shows on a map, if that property happens to give inventory to Expedia. Yet on the same property page, a Google Map image already shows. Using the “Map this Hotel” link can feel like a “bait and switch,” if it leads to a dead end.
Suggestion/Request: Omit the “Map this Hotel” link for those properties not on Expedia (since you already have a Google map on the property page), or have the link refer to a Google Map like the one already shown on the page. The “bait and switch” feeling should be removed for those properties not on Expedia.
Dec 08 Update: TripAdvisor indicated this link might change to “Map This Area” or something a little more accurate and all-encompassing for it’s purpose.
May 09 Update: The map actually shows the location of all property addresses, so it’s not technically wrong. The TA staff seemed to agree that it’s not an ideal experience for the traveler, and that we’ll keep this on the list for discussion. I suggested at least changing it to something like “Map this Address,” to make it more accurate with what shows up.
2. Average Rate
Some properties display an average rate, and others do not. This seems to have changed since I last visited, when all properties seemed to have an average rate displayed. I am hoping to learn more about how the average rate is determined and posted, and if innkeepers have the ability to edit the rate if it is wrong.
Suggestion/Request: Allow innkeepers the ability to post rate ranges that may reflect the seasonal or other pricing changes of that moment
Dec 08 Update: Still don’t understand how this happens and how innkeepers can control this for the purpose of accuracy and correction.
May 09 Update: Any properties that provide inventory to one of TA’s commerce partners (i.e. Expedia, Hotels.com, etc) are given an average rate based on actual inquiries and real rates offered on these sites. If an inn is not on a commerce site, TA uses a third-party system to find rates, which has been the problem – many times they are not accurate. We also learned while on site that an inn that USED to have inventory on a commerce site might have average rates showing from when that inn previously provided inventory – it could have been years ago. Much of this seemed to puzzle the TA staff, and they were feverishly looking into the issue while I was there. TA is launching more and more tools for owners to update their own pages and property information. I advocated for letting owners enter their own rates, and the TA staff seemed to think this was the best way to go…except for inns that have live inventory with commerce partner sites – those inns’ prices will still be determined by live data capture.
3. Hyperlink to B&B’s website
There is no hyperlink to a B&B’s web site on the property’s page on TripAdvisor. Currently, this can be a dead end for visitors who want to learn more than what the page has to offer (i.e. see the inn’s web site, make a booking, etc). Due to there being no direct link to a B&B’s web site, innkeepers cannot tell how valuable TripAdvisor is in referring business. Their web traffic analytics cannot currently pick up on direct traffic from TripAdvisor. If innkeepers could see the actual traffic they are getting, their respect and admiration for TripAdvisor could increase substantially. Plus, visitors to your web site would appreciate not having to open a new window to search for the property separately.
Suggestion/Request: Put hyperlinks to the properties’ own web sites on their TripAdvisor pages, like you do with restaurants on TripAdvisor.
Dec 08 Update: Seems this went from “possible” to “not probable.” What commerce opportunities are there for TripAdvisor with providing direct links to B&B sites?
May 09 Update: I reiterated the importance of this, but there is nothing to report at this time.
4. Availability search tool – “Plan the perfect trip” Box
When using the availability search fields on the TripAdvisor home page (entering city and check in/out dates), a visitor might encounter another dead-end with regard to B&Bs. If a property does not provide inventory to Expedia, and a visitor uses the availability search to find properties in a city for specific check-in and check-out dates, the current “No B&Bs/Inns Found” message can be misleading. There indeed may be B&Bs in that city, which have availability. TripAdvisor CEO said they would be willing to change the language.
Suggestion/Request: Adjust the language of the “no availability” message to “No B&Bs/inns are showing availability through this site, although some might have the availability you are looking for. Click here to show all B&Bs/inns regardless of price availability or online booking option.” Make this appear as one complete phrase.
Dec 08 Update: No progress.
May 09 Update: The new “Regardless of Availability vs. Confirmed Availability” approach is better, but B&Bs seem to be even MORE hidden now. Only hotels show in search. B&Bs only show if someone scrolls down on the left and opens the “Property Type” menu to choose B&Bs. Why can’t the system default to all types of lodging? At least bring back the tabs, or move “Property Type” option to the top. TA staff said they’ll look into this and seemed to agree that B&Bs were too hidden.
5. Book Now button (new issue)
Some properties of a “Book Now” button on the upper right side of their page. It seems logical that only those properties with active inventory on commerce partner sites would have that button. But we found at least one example of an inn that has no active inventory on a commerce partner site, and yet it had the “Book Now” button. The button led to a dead-end, in which we typed in several options for check-in/check-out, and there was no inventory to be found.
May 09 Update: The TA staff said they’d speak to their people who work directly with Hotels.com and Expedia about this problem.
6. Ubiquitous use of word Hotels
I’ve mentioned this since the beginning of our conversation with TripAdvisor. The word “hotels” is used everywhere throughout the site as the least common denominator term for all kinds of lodging. B&Bs are not hotels, but we are found only behind the word “hotels.” I’m suggesting that the word “accommodations” or “lodging” be used when an all-encompassing term is appropriate.
May 09 Update: Little chance for change with this one. TA staff tells me that “hotels” is a much more translatable term. Considering how many international travelers use TripAdvisor, that is possibly understandable. I still contend that English language versions of the site could use more generic terms in certain places.
7. Changes on “Other Destinations” box on lower right side of destination pages.
Many popular city pages have a box on the lower right side that says “Other Destinations,” which has included direct links to other city pages in the area, i.e. Lancaster, Pennsylvania’s page will have a link to Gettysburg or Philadelphia. A recent change was made to this box, and now the links go directly to the “hotels” pages for those cities, rather than the destination page. This seems a bit misleading and cuts out what seems to be what the traveler is after – learning about other relevant destinations. The links do say “Gettysburg Hotels,” but it’s still misleading.
May 09 Update: TA staff agreed that it is a strange experience and will investigate why the change was made.
8. Use of property names in advertising (new issue)
While TripAdvisor uses much of a property’s page in the way of advertising, sponsored links, etc., there is one area that seems to cross the line of ethics and/or good taste. If you look at a B&B’s page, you’ll notice a “Best Deals” box on the right side, i.e. Swiss Woods B&B has “Best Deals: Swiss Woods.” The problem is that all the “best deals” in the box are simply hyperlinks to nearby hotels completely unrelated to Swiss Woods.
May 09 Update: TA staff will investigate and they seemed to agree with my reasoning that this needs to be changed. I am encouraged that this will be changed.
9. Old forum threads
Many destinations have forums for visitors and potential visitors to get information on the destination. Most forums are loaded with local experts (some tapped as official “destination experts” by TA), who answer questions about the area. It was brought to our attention that threads older than 6 months that have not had any content updates will be “closed.” This means a lot of valid content might not be accessible.
May 09 Update: TA staff were not aware of this change and are looking into it.
Reviews and Reviewers
1. The “Did you stay here?” qualifier.
A problem with the current review rules is that someone who didn’t stay at a B&B could leave a review about all aspects of the B&B, including value, check-in, room and cleanliness. It is reasonable to allow someone to leave a review if he or she didn’t stay at the inn (i.e. if the guest had a negative interaction with an innkeeper during the reservation or cancellation process). But that reviewer should not be able to comment or review any other aspect of the experience than the booking or cancellation experience.
Suggestion/Request: First ask the reviewer, “Did you stay at this property?” If the answer is no, then the reviewer cannot review any aspects of the inn except something like “reservation process,” and their review should have less of an impact on the property’s “Popularity Index” than a review by someone who had a full stay.
Dec 08 Update: Cleanliness, Rooms and Value should not be able to be reviewed if someone didn’t stay at the inn. A management response indicating they didn’t stay is not enough.
May 09 Update: It doesn’t seem likely that the TA staff I meet with will advocate for this change. They did bring up a good point though. If the question is asked if someone has stayed at the property, it could cause even more people to leave reviews (possibly fraudulent) in cases where the traveler didn’t stay at the property. And, a point which is reasonable, someone’s negative experience with a cancellation or some other pre-stay interchange is just as valid to that traveler as someone who stayed 4 nights. If it is any consolation, I was told that the ratings of cleanliness, rooms, etc do not have an impact on the Popularity Index like the overall rating does. I still think someone who doesn’t stay shouldn’t be able to drill down and rate things like cleanliness or value.
2. Age of new reviews
Although I cannot recall the exact rule, reviewers can review of a stay that might have happened a few years ago. How far back can you go with a review? There are two problems with posting a review of an experience that was long ago. First, it shouldn’t be seen as a “new” review. Currently, the new review will automatically be listed chronologically by date of stay, NOT date of review, so it could come up first on the list. A visitor to the site might easily mistake it as a review of a recent stay, if he or she doesn’t pay close attention and find the “date of stay” information. Also, it was unclear if the review impacts the Popularity Index as a new review, rather than an old review. I was told that the older a review gets, the less impactful it is on the Popularity Index. I’m wondering if the age of the review or the age of the date of stay is used for the index.
Suggestion/Request: When someone leaves a review today of a stay from 8 months ago, the review should automatically be listed in chronological order by date of stay. If the timing of a review impacts the Popularity Index, be sure the date of stay is taken into consideration, not the date of review. Limit the time delay between a date of stay and date of review to one year.
May 09 Update: I was told that TA changed the oldest possible review age from five years to three years. It’s a move in the right direction, but I still believe someone should not be able to leave a review more than 12 months after their actual experience. I was told that, with regard to the Popularity Index, a recent review of an old stay is considered old…meaning if someone leaves a review today of a stay 3 years ago, it would have minimal or no impact on the index. I still advocated for reviews to be sorted chronologically by date of stay, so that a new review of a 3 year old stay does not default to the top of the list.
Management Responses and Conflict Resolution
1. Removing censorship of management responses.
In the online review game, innkeepers should be given the ability to fully defend themselves against any negative accusation – especially false ones. While reviewers are allowed to remain anonymous and virtually safe from any negative comments by the innkeeper, innkeepers and their businesses are at great risk of suffering from negative and false reviews. We hear from innkeepers all the time that their management responses do not get posted, and it seems TripAdvisor staff is being entirely too restrictive.
Suggestion/Request: As long as the innkeeper’s response is germane to the respective review, doesn’t reveal the identity of the reviewer or break any important rules about online content, the innkeeper should be able to say just about whatever he wants. The reviewer is anonymous, so there is no repercussion to an innkeeper’s response.
Dec 08 Update: TA staff indicated they’ve done a good deal of internal analysis of their management response review process and intend on making some changes.
May 09 Update: I hear through the grapevine that this has gotten better. No innkeepers have come to me lately complaining that their management responses were not posted.
2. Abeyance Period
Currently, a negative review (false or true) can get posted online very quickly. There can be a tendency for guests to embellish, and there are plenty of stories of false or fraudulent negative reviews that do not get removed. A negative review on TripAdvisor, and by extension the Popularity Index, can have an immediate and severe impact on an inn’s business. Yet, there is little recourse against a false or embellished negative review except to leave a management response (a relatively anemic solution). If a purpose of the site is to “Get the Truth,” an innkeeper should be able to immediately challenge a review based on facts or other criteria that make sense. During that review period, a review should be removed. By not removing a harmful and potentially false review, an inn’s business may suffer. If a false review remains for weeks or months, and is subsequently found to be in fact false or fraudulent by TripAdvisor, the damage to the inn has already been done. Allowing a negative review under question to remain indicates TripAdvisor may not care about the impact of that review on the inn.
Suggestion/Review: If an innkeeper wants to challenge the validity of a review, the review should be held “in abeyance,” during which time TripAdvisor staff investigates. The TripAdvisor team already investigates challenges posed by innkeepers, which seem to take many weeks to get resolved. If the TripAdvisor team is already investigating challenges, why not remove a potentially harmful review during the investigation? Reviews should only be held in abeyance if claims are made that the guest never stayed nor interacted with the property, or if there are factual disputes being made by the innkeeper about the review. If the innkeeper is offended by the opinion of a legitimate guest and simply wants to challenge the opinion, then a review might not need to be held in abeyance. In addition, there should be a way for the innkeeper to communicate with the anonymous guest through TripAdvisor’s messaging system. If an innkeeper cannot confront his accuser due to anonymity, at least he should be able to communicate with the person about a review. The purpose could be positive (i.e. to thank the reviewer) or to address the negative (i.e. to inquire about the harshness or other aspect of a review). Many times guests will lie, embellish or place false blame, and the truth (remember “Get the Truth, Then Go) might not be seen in the review. Guests do not likely know that a negative review impacts the Popularity Index, which in turn greatly impacts an inn’s business. An opportunity for the innkeeper to send a note directly to the anonymous reviewer could diffuse many problems and lighten the burden of your staff.
Dec 08 Update: It turns out that innkeepers CAN communicate directly with the anonymous travelers. Innkeepers need to join TripAdvisor as travelers, and then they can use the peer-to-peer messaging service. As long as the innkeepers identify themselves as such and don’t harass any travelers, this is a decent solution for communicating with guests about their reviews.
May 09 Update: I suggested TA provide innkeepers with a guaranteed response time frame for resolution of any conflicts, but that doesn’t seem likely. I was told that innkeepers should have their issues resolved within 2 weeks…maybe 3. If the TA staff is overloaded, sometimes they do not communicate back with the property if no changes are to be made with the reviews in question. I explained that innkeepers need closure on the issues and should be told what the decisions are. TA staff indicated there may be a new conflict resolution form to fill out, which would allow faster routing of the issue to the right personnel. I told TA staff that PAII would like to intervene if any issues are still lingering without any word of resolution (either good or bad) for a long period of time. The abeyance period doesn’t seem likely any time soon, so I will keep pressing for it. I still believe that an inn’s business can suffer unjustifiably by an embellished or false review and should be taken down during the review process. But, TA staff feel that taking it down would be depriving the site visitors from possibly valid reviews.
Tags: Online Reviews, TripAdvisor
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Jay Karen, President & CEO of the 
May 19, 2009 at 8:18 am...
Nice job Jay. It is clear that TripAdvisor, like many directories, is conflicted between its allegiance to travelers and its allegiance to its own travel partners (expedia…).
They seem to always stand solid on decisions that directly favor their partners, but it is great that you are getting them to bend a little on decisions that can favor travelers without hurting their partners.
Please keep up the great work you are doing.
May 19, 2009 at 9:53 am...
Fantastic Jay!
This is like having a lawyer represent us pro bono. Certainly worth the price of admission (dues). Keep the pressure on them and perhaps you will slowly move them along to a better place in terms of fairness to the B&B industry and hotels for that matter. It seems like no one at Tripadvisor ever ran a business that was so impacted by negativism. They won’t go away, but at least they are aware of our presence. Wonderful progress.
May 19, 2009 at 10:30 am...
Thanks for the followup and for keeping the TripAdvisor conversation going. It’s great for innkeepers to have someone representing us as a group. It’s also respectable that an industry leader like TripAdvisor is open to engaging with our industry. As a matter of fact – I found this post because @tripadvisor re-tweeted it!
May 19, 2009 at 10:53 am...
Jay,
We are a destination location for weddings and we get a lot of 20-30 year old guests who unfortunately haven’t traveled widely. Our small town is an artistic and environmentally focused community. We are 20 miles from a major highway and there are no chain hotels here.
Many of the younger guests come to “party” and don’t know the difference between a bed and breakfast/inn where the owners work and live vs a chain hotel. They don’t like to be told when their actions are not acceptable. These are the ones who are most likely to post a negative review – they live and breath the internet.
One of the worst issues is that the reviewers are allowed to put up sensational headlines and they follow up with their rants which are based on their limited experience.
As you showed, it takes a long time to get a logical and accurate response posted. Meanwhile the damage has been done.
We’ve countered that by requesting that our satisfied customers post reviews, especially immediately after a negative review goes live. It’s actually helped us win a position as #1 in the area!
It was through your encouragement also that we had the worst review removed – the heading was so ugly that the Trip Advisor staff agreed to remove it.
Thank you for your efforts on this matter. We look forward to the progress you continue to make on the behalf of all PAII members and this industry.
May 19, 2009 at 7:28 pm...
Chipping in about easier to post a management repsonse — quicker posting now too.
May 20, 2009 at 1:51 am...
This is wildly helpful Jay, thank you!
One additional question. Is there a way to get an Inn that no longer exists removed from Trip Advisor? We are based on Cape Cod and there WAS a B&B of the same name in Louisiana that was sadly destroyed by Katrina and no longer exists. I would like to see it removed from Trip Advisor. What do you recommend?
–Beth
Woods Hole Inn, Woods Hole Mass.
May 20, 2009 at 8:49 am...
It seems to me like TA should be grateful that PAII is taking the time to communicate the concerns of innkeepers. It makes the site better over time. And there may be a lot of hotels who feel the same way about some of the concerns, but because they are big, slow, and have close ties with the travel partners, are reluctant to say anything. Thank you, Jay, for being such an articulate advocate for the industry.
May 29, 2009 at 2:50 pm...
Jay:
It’s very, very encouraging to see your organized, educated and persistent efforts in behalf of PAII members in negotiations issues with TA. The advantage TA provides to disgruntled patrons is extremely harmful, particularly to small properties in small towns, which is precisely why TA is not that motivated to cooperate with your sensible and sensitive suggestion for an abeyance period . We whole-heartedly endorse persistence regarding this issue and hope for improvement even if it’s later than sooner.
May 29, 2009 at 9:01 pm...
Beth – you should be able to notify someone at TripAdvisor that the inn no longer exists. For the life of me, tonight I can’t find on their site any way to email their hotel relations team about it. You could check out their Support Forum here. Start there and see what you can find. Post your question. Hopefully someone will give you the instructions you need.
June 10, 2009 at 1:32 pm...
Hi Jay
Our bookings via TripAdvisor have dropped of a cliff since their revamp Dec 08. We are a very different type of B&B located 7 km (10 minutes drive) from Sintra in Portugal in the small village of Melecas. We were listed 1 out of 9 for Sintra with a 5* review. Since the revamp we are now listed 1 out of 1 in Melecas with no way for travellers to know where Melecas is. TripAdvisor says that it is presumptious to think that travellers might want to stay just outside Sintra, they are not aware of the problems with the historic town, (parking, lack of this type of accommodation etc)and the dis- service they now offer to travellers. We complained but they are impervious to the damage that is being done all over the world by this change. Is this going to be permanent or have they accepted there is a major problem?
Regards
Tony
July 3, 2009 at 9:28 am...
Hello,
We have an unfolding issue we’ve been watching for two weeks now. An individual by the screen name ‘Hansley’ has been randomly targeting lodging establishments around the country. We were his third victim. In the space of just over a month he has attacked six different inn/hotels in four different states. We can unequivocally state that this person has never stayed with us. One of the inns, wasn’t even open during his alleged visit in April.
We, and others, have tried to seek relief through Trip Advisor and have had nothing but frustration. While TA has received multiple complaints, ‘Hansley’ has been allowed to continue posting while the affected inns are suffering. Our ranking on the site dropped from 13th to 20th (oddly just after we submitted a complaint to TA).
This is a link to ‘Hansley’s’ reviews.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/members-reviews/hansley
We appreciate any insight you might have into this issue.
July 31, 2009 at 6:42 pm...
Hi, the same thing happened to us a year ago. Somebody left a very bad review on TA. We have 19 exvellent, 1 very good, and one poor. I countacted TA 6 times. All they did was finally allowed me to make “management response”. I actually told them who this person was, why, when she posted, etc. still TA wouldn’t remove.
I started to bring this up at the Atlanta convention during a TA seminar, and I was booed by other innkeepers! couldn’t believe it.
Sorry this is happening to all of you.
January 21, 2010 at 3:38 pm...
This blog may be dated… but I was hoping to see if anyone had the same desire as me to NOT be on tripadvisor at all.
We made the concious effort to not sign on to TA beacuse the last time we had an experience with it it caused me so much mental stress from bad insignificant reviews. (i.e. a light bulb went out and they failed to inform us) Their onnly complaint of a “amazing and Lovely stay, we will return” 1 STAR?
Why do we not have the option as small Inns to not be on tripadvisor? I know the power of TA and how advanagious it can be. But I don’t think I can handle the silly reviews from “Joe I’ve never traveled beyond Maple street but feel the need to voice my oponion because I can regaurdless of how this might effect the person on the other ends Livelyhood”?
Boy that was a mouth full. I’d love any thoughts or help in removing my property.
January 23, 2010 at 6:33 pm...
Note that now TripAdvisor has a new “business listing” feature that allows an accommodation property to add the url. However, for small B&Bs, this is not particularly helpful – the 50% introductory offer, which is good until the end of January 2010, is $300. Maybe this is one way to screen out stupid guests – I will have to continue to rely on people knowing how to use google to find me online.